By: Lindsey

Lindsey — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:13:53 +0000

It sounds like they’re trying too hard to appeal to reason and human comprehension. But what if the Lord’s Supper can’t be rationally comprehended just like the Trinity and the fact that we will live forever with Christ? When you try to think about those concepts it boggles the mind, because we (as imperfect, sinful humans) CANNOT fathom all of the mysteries of God. This is where I believe childlike faith comes in. Why can’t all Christians just take Jesus at face value when he says “This is my body. This is my blood”? Sure, your human mind cannot comprehend it but our Savior is not limited by what we can rationally understand and comprehend.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:25:41 +0000

I will attempt to summarize this whole Calvinist response for everyone:
“Silly Dr McCain, allow us tell you what God can and cannot do.”
So… in order for an item to be miraculous, that item, in itself, must be divine? So, mundane things cannot be the product of miracles of multiple quantity and/or location? In order for Christ’s body to be distributed, His human nature must be divinized? Where is THAT in Scripture? I wonder if they deny the following miracles based on similar logic to what they just made up:
How can ordinary water become wine and still remain ordinary wine without divinizing the water?
How can jars be poured out and still be full of oil without divinizing the oil?
How can bread and fish be distributed to 5,000 people and then, after it is collected, there is more than what was started with? Is that ordinary bread and fish or divinized bread and fish? How can a couple pieces of bread and a few fish be localized in the baskets and distributed in the crowd at the same time?
I hate to start another “Casper” thread on some Calvin blog, but here it goes: When Jesus fed the 5,000, what was the metaphysical nature of the extra fish? Was that the same finite fish in multiple places at one time in the universe? Was that a few infinite fish that had been temporarily localized to a couple fish in a basket prior to the miracle and then allowed to adopt their infinite nature to wow the crowds? Maybe, the extras were all finite fish that were spontaniously created for the purposes of the miracle…. in which case the question becomes: Where did Jesus get the finite fish that He added? Did Jesus make these extra finite fish from thin air or where they instantly gathered from preexisting finite fish in the oceans of the world? If that is what happened, did only the divine nature of Jesus collect/create the finite fish or was Jesus’ human nature elevated to the divine to accomplish this feat? Tell us, how did Jesus, the Great Magician, pull that trick off?
Wow… these Calvinists have it all figured out. Clearly, their human understanding is way beyond mine because I just figured I would leave all these “how” questions up to God and take Him at His word (again with that “This is My body” quote.)
I was foolish enough to figure that since God wrote the laws that govern the universe, HE controls what can and cannot be done… not us and not our reason.
If they can answer these kinds of philisophical questions using only their mortal intelect, I probably should have asked them to define eternity for me before I wrote them off.
I used to think that Calvinists put words in Christ’s mouth by saying:
“This is [something like] My body.”
Now… well is it more like:
“This is [something like only the spiritual half of] My body.”
Call me lazy or simple-minded, but I prefer to just take God at His word.

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