Comments on: Kickin’ It Old School Roman Style or What’s Old is New Again

By: Scott B

Scott B — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:27:36 +0000

It gets so tiring hearing others tell Catholics what they should and should not do and how the Church should change this or that rule or teaching. The Catholic Church alone possesses the fullness of truth regarding Jesus Christ and His message. We don’t tell you what to do. Don’t tell us what to do. All other Christians have denied one or the other of Christ’s teachings, some greater, some lesser. Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer, Melanchton, etc… all denied the truth of the Gospel because it wasn’t comfortable to them or to suit their needs or, more usually, their ambition. If the Holy Father’s Motu Proprio has done anything, it has laid bare the rampant anti-Catholicism that is present in so-called Christians and Jews. If you don’t like what we believe or do, you don’t like it. Not our problem, but it will be your’s. Deal with it.

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:56:52 +0000

A small point of correction. (Roman Legalism?)
Pope Benedict’s Motu Proprio (Latin for “by his own accord”) does not offer an Indult.
An Indult is an exception to the law and by decreeing that the Traditional Mass is a legitimate expression of the one Roman Rite no Indult is offered nor, indeed, is one necessary.
The Pope recognized the “right” so no particular “exception” is required.

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:51:10 +0000

Just a small point of clarification. (Roman legalism?) The decree (a Motu Proprio – Latin for “by his own accord”) does not introduce an Indult.
An Indult is an exception to the law. It can properly be said that prior to the Motu Proprio, the Traditional Mass was offered by an excepton to the universal liturgical law. (Erroneous though, because Pope Benedict stated that the prior form had never been abrogated)
By decreeing that the Traditional Mass had never been abrogated and by recognizing its legitimate usage in the one Roman Rite, no Indult is offered nor , indeed, is one necessary.

By: Lito Cruz

Lito Cruz — Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:32:46 +0000

Julia,
I really have no qualms if the RCC bring back the Latin Mass, besides, it is for those who want it.
You seem to know a lot about me, I was wondering if you were one of my RC teachers. I was catechized at St Mary’s College. Like I said before, may be I slipped through quality control, because I do not recall them teaching us the meaning of the Latin words in the mass. I doubt if I was absent when they taught it.
But what you say is often what my RC friends say about me, that I am ignorant even though my parents are devout RC members and my ancestors have not know anything but to be loyal to the RCC. I practiced my Novenas to St. Jude, was involved in Opus Dei, was in Cursillo, did my rosaries and stations of the Cross and even after that, they still think I misrepresent the RCC teachings in my mind, so they say.
Lito

By: Julia

Julia — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:29:58 +0000

I just read the link to what Luther had to say about the Mass.
If you believe what Luther said, why the scorn that the old Masss may be back? The new Mass is still the kind of thing that Luther described and detested.

By: Julia

Julia — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:18:44 +0000

Lito:
I was a Catholic university student during Vatican II. I remember the old Latin Mass much better than you do. If you couldn’t figure out what was going on then 1) you were still illiterate and could not read your missal and/or 2) you never paid attention in class. It’s not like it was a different Mass every day – sooner or later you should have caught on even if you couldn’t read your missal and were deaf to instructions in class.
Cyberbrethren:
The New Mass was written with the help of Benelux Lutheran professors. No wonder it seems familiar to you.

By: Tom H

Tom H — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:21:56 +0000

Lito,
“…they could care less what user needs”
Irenicism be darned I suppose. Watch the broadness of the brush with which you paint. I’m an early 30s RC and many of my age have been clamoring for the Tradition Rite of the Mass. This will be an option, not a mandate, to use the Old Rite. It is a final realization that both (Novus Ordo and Tridentine) have a place in ordinary use in the RC Church.
What memory of the Old Rite you have (as a child if I recall your statement…not much I understood as a child) is generally immaterial. The Church is certainly not interested in what Luterans will think about the Motu.
…yes, yes. Please begin the “Apostate church et. al” insipid comments to follow.

By: Lito Cruz

Lito Cruz — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:23:07 +0000

Tim,
The RCC is like Microsoft, they could care less what the user needs.
Lito

By: Tim Schenks

Tim Schenks — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:15:04 +0000

Whatever happened to Dr. Luther’s proposal to teach all the kids Latin, Hebrew and Greek in addition to their own German and to have services in an assortment of languages? (The German Mass and Order of Divine Service)

By: Lito Cruz

Lito Cruz — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:36:01 +0000

Pr. Paul.
I was an RC kid during Vatican II and I do remember the Latin Mass, I did not have a clue what the heck was happening.
It seemed like “voodoo” to me, as we say in the IT industry.
Lito