ELCA Votes to Allow Gay Clergy to Be in “Committed Same-Sex Relationships”
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America at its Church wide Assembly voted that its bishops should refrain from disciplining rostered workers who are in a "mutual, chaste and faithful same-sex relationship."
After several votes turning down efforts to change the ELCA’s "Visition and Expectations" document that governs the standards required for rostered workers, in order to permit such relationships, this was a substitute motion to ask at least for there to be an end to any disciplinary efforts against such rostered workers, a "cease fire" or a "time out" as it was put on the floor during the debate.
My sense is that many of the voting members of the Assembly simply had been worn out emotionally by the plaintive speeches made by, and for, homosexuals in relationships and this was perhaps regarded as a gesture of conciliation. Upon further reflection perhaps a number who voted for this will realize that they have, effectively, just given a green light to what in Scripture is very much a large, flashing red light and "danger" sign.
The best speech on this matter, in my opinion, was given by a dairy farmer from Wisconsin who rose and said, simply and powerfully:
I’ve listened to the debates over homosexuality all week. This debate is literally breaking my heart. In this post-modern world
which says everyone defines what is right or wrong for himself/herself,
the idea of discipline for violating boundaries is viewed as injustice.
We can not live our lives without boundaries. I’m a dairy farmer and I
work daily around large animals and large pieces of equipment. We
raised five children who always wanted to be with dad. Because I loved them
I built a fence and they had to stay in the boundaries of the fence, even if
they cried or begged. They could climb out. When they did they were
disciplined. It did not matter how much they wanted to be with me, or I
with them. Our Creator has given us boundaries, if we could live within
those boundaries a need for discipline would not exist.
Here is the full text of the notes I prepared while watching/listening to the ELCA Assembly. I thought the
floor speeches were particularly interesting.
They just voted to close debate on all matters before the house: all the sexuality issues, effectively.
Now
they are going to vote on the amendment before the house, which would
ammend the memorials committee recommendation to add a new final
paragraph which would read to direct the Task Force to address
specifically and make recommendations on changes on any policies re.
homosexuals on the roster.
Vote results:
Yes: 692
No: 303
Adopted (simple majority required)
Substitute
now being voted on to put in place an exception policy by which Synod
bishops "for pastoral reasons and for the sake of mission and mission"
would permit a person in "mutual chaste and faithful relationship" may
be on the roster and subject to no future discipline for this situation.
Vote results:
Yes: 472
No: 520
Defeated (majority required — 53 votes shy of approval).
Final vote to amend
Vote results:
Yes: 819
No: 171
Recommendation as amended is adopted.
So….the bullet was just barely dodged on these issues.
E3 Now before assembly, p. 69, Section 6.
Recommended action:
[sound
problems persist - they can not fix hum completely until the break -
power circuit has been blown - short in circuit somewhere, apologies
from chair]
Discussion
First speaker recognized. Called the question.
Vote to end debate results: failed to close debate
Yes: 620
No: 320 (approx) 2/3 required to close debate, only got 62%
Delegates are getting impatient to move along.
Debate
is open (Some confusion. Chairman humorously says: "Help me out
bishops, if you are going to shout out advice, make it be true! "- good
chuckle)
Substitute to amend now being made:
The CWA prays,
urges and encourages all bishops, synods, etc. etc. … to refrain from
any disciplinary action against any person in a mutual, chaste,
same-gender relationship and that the CWA prays, urges and encourages
all … to refrain from disciplining any rostered person in mutual,
chaste, faithful same-gender relationship.
This is yet one more
"last stand" measure to permit exceptions and to permit actively
homosexual persons to continue in ministry and office without any
consequences.
Speaking to motion:
I think 21 Synods that have
memorialized the Synod. We have been totally ignored. The hospitality
is not carying through. We pray somebody will listen to us and give us
some breathing space to do what God is calling us to do – [angry
speeches usually don't work well, particularly after the issue has been
voted down now twice].
Call question on all matters before the house now made.
Motion is to close debate on all matters, both substitute and the recommendation from memorial committee.
Point of clarification now being asked: person complaining about call of the question. It is an appropriate motion.
Vote on ending debate on these
Motion to close debate on all matters is defeated 541 voted yes, needed 2/3
Now debate on this substitute resolution to grant exemption from discipline for all same-gender relationships.
Speaker
now saying that all exceptions have been made by bishops, calling on
the ELCA to set aside its decisions. Distressing to the faithful to see
bishops, who are to be signs and symbols of unity, introducing
dissension. We need to consider how we are going to be church when the
bishops are introducing dissention.
Speaking in favor of
substitute: We have heard encouragement to journey together faithfully
… we should ask our bishops to not take actions against same-gender
relationships. We ask them to wait with us then we need to refrain from
disciplining faithful leaders. If we do not do this we injure the
mission/ministry of the ELCA. We have removed faithful leaders and
disrupted congregation’s ministry. Cost too high to a great church. How
much more time, money resource are we going to squander. Let’s have a
cease-fire. Let’s take a time-out. Let’s have time to listen to each.
Stop the bleeding of our church. Focus on mission and ministry, no more
trials like Pastor Schmeling which leave body broken and bruised, a
visible and public black eye. It is fair, wise and pastoral thing to do.
Speaker:
TX-LA Synod speaker – I too would like to talk about the process we
have engaged in and trying to get in the back door what we are
preventing from happening through front door. Two days ago we refused
to bless same-sex unions. Not we are trying to get in the back door
what we did not do through the front door. I urge us not to make
haphazard piecemeal policy but to create comprehensive solution at
2009, pass it one way or the other. Let us not give to the rostered
leaders what we are not willing to give to the laity. If the leadership
of the LBGT community have not given any relief to the laity in
blessing same-sex unions, we only want to talk about rostered. This is
haphazard, self-serving and piece-meal policy that should not be
followed. Let’s come back next time with comprehensive solution.
Speaker
for substitute: Seeking restraint means asking bishops emphasizing
relationships over rigid system. God’s house has many doors. Sometimes
we even lower people through roof. Moderation in discipline is an
example of living together faithfully.
Speaker procedural
question: The language is confusing to me: The CWA urges,
encourages….refrain from and demonstrate restraint…I’m not sure
what these terms really mean. What does this mean? It might be
interpreted the wrong way. Chair asked Bishop who made motion to
respond to the question [nice way to give him more time to lobby for
it]…"An attempt to put in a couple of different ways with words to
put restraint into discipline process."
Next speaker: Speaking
in favor of memorial. If we adopt this substitute we do adopt a
practice we have not yet determined is faithful or permitted in this
church.
Next speaker: Steven Bauman, Metro New York: Yesterday,
Pastor Foster shared story of her family and congregation she serves,
South Bronx. This church serves people in poverty and is of people in
poverty. What good would it do to do anything but support her and her
ministry? You take a child, baptize, catechize that child, you stretch
our you hopes, that child comes to New York. That church comes to New
York and is gay. Give us some pastoral room! We want to be your parnter:
Speaker:
Paul was off an adventure for the Church but Jesus blew him out of the
saddle. I have studied and read everything I can and I see our Church
not following its own teachings. It is very important that we go back
and wait and do our work. Continuing to try to find a way arond what we
should be doing and doing these back door entries is not the way to
accomplish this. It is very important if we are going to talk about
cease-fire and restraint then we need to stop ordaining and placing
people who would be subject to the discipline of church. Cease-fire is
two ways. Stop prosecuting and stop placing! I do not see that in this
resolution. I see it as permission fr those bishops who wish to violate
and to continue to ordain and to place pastors who do not meet V/E.
Cease fire must come from both.
White card: If we would put from
"or" in refrain from or demonstrate….bishop speaking to his
resolution again. Maker put that in by unan. consent.
Speaker:
Christopher Barry, campus pastors in NW Washington Synod. Work with
hundreds of young adults. Presbyterian and Methodists, Jewish center,
Muslims in our center,come to studies. I work with students. Our job as
campus pastors and other peoples in the church and others working with
outside people. We need constantly time and resources we need because
we are spending so much time and money rooting out pastors. This sub.
resolution does not talk about ordaining LBGT people. All it says is
bishops can work on miss/min and to allow them to support evang. and
mentoring and leadership dev, to deal with poverty and justice instead
of dealing with this issue. We need to get on with mission/ministry in
our location and dozens of others. Adopt this.
Speaker:
Minneapolia area Synod. This debate is literally breaking my heart. In
this post-modern world which says everyone defines what is right or
wrong for himself/herself, the idea of discipline for violating
boundaries is viewed as injustice. We can not live our lives without
boundaries. I’m a dairy farmer and I work daily around large animals
and large pieces of equipment. We raised five kids who always wanted to
be with dad. Because I loved them I built a fence and they had to stay
in boundaries of the fence even if they cried begged. They could climb
out. When they did they were disciplined. It did not matter how much
they wanted to be with me, or I with them. Our Creator has given us
boundaries, if we could live within those boundaries need for
discipline would not exists.
Speaker: Same man asking for more
clarification from maker of motion. Word "or" does not clarfy. Chairman
said, "Take your turn in line because those questions go into
expressions of response." Wait your turn and wait to you have a turn. I
do not regard it as priv. motion to interrupt debate.
Point of
order: According to my time, we have passed twenty minutes for prayer
and vote. Chairman is checking. We have one minute to go.
Speaker:
Met. New York Synod: "How many?" We have devotional books this week
that show us people who have been embraced by their bishops. We all
benefit from their service. How many of them will we remove? If we are
going to have fair policy. Every last one should be removed? How many
good pastors can we sacrifice? How much can the Gospel afford this?
Chairman now calling for minute of silence, followed by his prayer.
Chairman now using historic collect.
Now vote on substitute motion by Bishop Landau
Interrupted
by question. "I’d like the governing body to reconsider earlier rule of
debate." Will take it up after vote, chair responds.
Vote to substitute the "no discipline" motion. Passed.
Substitute motion is before the assembly.
Very close vote to accept, one of closest at assembly.
Point
of order: Speaker claims the motion is in effect asking the ELCA is
asking that a bylaw be negated and that therefore a 2/3 vote should be
required to approve since effectively this says we will not enforce a
bylaw and negating therefore a 2/3 vote is required.
Another speaker: Depending on chair’s ruling on question, wait to speak.
Chairman:
The question is allowed re. Constitutionality of the matter. If bylaw
is negated then a 2/3 vote should be required, claims the person asking
the question.
[McCain aside: This has now become the key moment
at the Assembly, for the CWA just voted effectively to urge its
bishops, synod, etc. to take no actions against same-sex relationships
amongs its rostered church workers, my sense is that some delegates
view this as 'fair' while perhaps not fully appreciating how it
effective negates the decisions to wait to take any action until the
2009 Assembly. Emotion will win the day on this.]
Long pause now while chair seeks clarification and decides. This is his key decision. Almen is now offering his opinion.
Almen
said: "The question is whether motion on floor effectively amends
bylaws. Answer is NO. Bylaws remain in place in Chap. 20, but what is
being addressed in motion on floor relates to application of policies
adopted under the bylaws and provided for bylaws. Therefore we are not
dealing with a de facto or direct amendment to bylaws. Therefore, given
that interpretation, ruling is majority vote only and is therefore
adopted. [In other words, since the bylaw is not being changed, no 2/3].
Microphone
5: Move to suspend rules and request because of the profound
implications passing this resolution would have for governance. This
resolution should be passed by 2/3 majority.Calling for suspension of
rule. Not debatable. Point of order raise.Chair warns it is not
debatable.
Speaker calls for suspending rules in order to require a 2/3 vote on this matter.
Question
raised again. Chair explains that Bishop Landau’s substitute is before
the house majority required to pass it. Speaker just moved that a 2/3
vote be used to adopt Landau’s substitute motion.
Now vote on motion to suspend rules to require 2/3 vote on the next vote.
Point of order raised: If we do not adopt by 2/3, then we just go on to next section of memorials.
Voting to suspend rules to require 2/3. Takes 2/3 to adopt
Vote results:
Yes 432
No 541
Motion to suspend rule is defeated.
Main motion now before the assembly. We have completed twenty minutes allotted.
Main motion before assembly, to suspend any discipline.
Majority required to adopt.
Vote results
Yes 538
No 431
Motion is adopted.
The
ELCA CWA has voted to urge/encourage all its bishops, synods, etc. to
"refrain" from and "demonstrate restraint" in taking any disciplinary
actions against any rostered worker in a same-gender mutual, chaste and
faithful relationship.
Sorry for the spelling errors and typos
but was typing as listening. Richard just pointed out to me that it
would be incorrect to say that the ELCA as a Church has voted it will
take no discipline against same-sex relationships, but rather that the
CWA adopted an expression of its will directed toward those who do have
the responsibility for discipline in the church.
So, what has
now happened is that the ELCA now has effectively urged all of its
bishop to cease and desist from taking any disciplinary actions against
homosexuals in relationships. What will faithful bishops do? Can they
follow this direction and still discipline those pastors who are living
as homosexuals with their partners? How would this be possible if they
are to "refrain from" and "demonstrate restraint" in taking any
disciplinary actions?
My apologies for any typos, etc. in the above material. I was typing as I was listening.


The key word is “chaste” – which would be completely non-sexual except in the case of a husband and wife.
Ever notice how “monogamy” has become the ultimate virtue? It means “married once,” presupposing a man and a woman. Faithful and mutual are nice, but they beg the question as to what they are being faithful and mutual toward.
McCain: I agree with Rome that anyone who is homosexual, chaste/celibate, or not, should not be in the church’s ministry. The unique temptations to sexual sin that are known to be part of the sinful disordering that is homosexuality, in my opinion, preclude homosexuals from the ministerial office. Other may disagree with me, I know, but that is my observation based on watching how these things turn out and particularly watching how these things have played themselves out in the Roman communion.
There should be no doubt now in anyone’s mind where this is headed. ELCA conservatives, and here I include all those trying to remain faithful to the Bible (also pastors and congregations, sadly, supporting women’s ordination; many ELCA women pastors are otherwise conservative), should now consult with their attorneys regarding a split in 2009.
This is actually an act of divine grace, which gives pastors and people more time to prepare.
I had predicted that the ELCA was 20 years behind the PECUSA. After today, that figure is now divided by 10.
“That, Mr. Anderson, is the sound of the inevitable.”
This is a complete disaster. I don’t how much longer we conservatives can hold on.
Yes, it’s a sad day for the ELCA. On the bright side, there are pastors and congregations within the ELCA who are trying to pull that church body back into traditional Lutheranism regarding sexuality issues, worship (an alternative to the ELW is being printed this fall), and even returning to an all-male clergy.
McCain: God bless their efforts!
This is quite sad. There is an ELCA church less than a mile from my house, but we have chosen to go to LCMS churches over 30 miles away. This will be another reason why we don’t take the convenient route.
I heard a Lutheran friend from Australia wisely say that any issue that has the potential to divide the church ought not be its focus. Unfortunately, this divisive issue continues to be our main focus as a church, at least as those in the media see us.
McCain: Bill, I do not agree with that statement. Christ Himself is a cause of division, as He said, “I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.” So, I really don’t think that statement is particularly helpful, particularly if you consider it a bit more carefully. But thanks for sharing it.
This is embarrassing. To have a rule and not enforce it. Ug.
How are we suposed to teach our children about chastity when the pastors in our church can have homosexual relationships? As long as it is committed? What the heck does that mean? It is only committed until it ends.
What I wonder is what about those small rural parishes in the
ELCA who abhor this and yet remain in this church body? Why don’t they get out, become independent or join our synod?
I’m wondering what effect this will have on those LCMS congregations that practice intercommunion with ELCA Lutherans.
They’re out there.
Lord, keep us steadfast in Thy Word!
We can all agree that this point was not reached overnight. It should stand as a warning to us to hold fast to our doctrine for the sake of future generations.
Many thanks to Rev Mayes for gently pointing out the differences between the LCMS and ELCA back when I was new to Lutheranism. Every ELCA press release makes me more and more grateful.
ELCA
The C stands for Cool.
Of course, our own M stands for Misery.
Actually, introduced to Lutheranism as I was thru the brandspankfirenew ELCA mid-80s model, I did think we were the Cool Lutherans and Missouri did mean Misery.
Any misery we of LCMS now suffer, however, is not from being so all-that-Cool, but from a hatred of the heat required of us.
As one who at one time was rostered with the ELCA, I came to the point where I felt more comfortable writing ***A. Sometimes it maybe would even be better to write ****. It is all so sad. Charles Porterfield Krauth described the methods of what we now call progressives in The Conservative Reformation. I have a copy from Augsburg Press. AP let it go out of print along with Sasse’s This Is My Body. I had to get an Australian edition when I was in seminary. Bo Giertz’ Hammer of God had a similar fate. We need to thank CPH for making these treasures available. **** seems embarrassed by the likes of Krauth and Sasse. How far things have come in such short time.
You say the ELCA is embarrassed by the likes of Krauth and Sasse
but what they are really embarrassed by is the inerrant Word of
God. Although there are, no doubt, members in the ELCA who are
very distressed at this sad decision, is it not just blatant
unbelief that is at work here—both on the part of those delegates that voted for this and, most especially, the leaders of the ****?
Let the slippery slope arguments begin…
The seeds planted by Seminex have grown, matured and are now bearing fruit. When doubt about the inspiration and inerrancy of scripture are introduced, caring more about offending men than offending God is the inevitable result.
But I’m not sure why certain LC-MS’ers are concerned about another church making a rule and not abiding by it, that’s pretty much been our modus operandi for years. We swear we believe what is written in our confessions, but what comes out in our practice is a similie of reformed and pentecostal practices, more closely resembling “The Vinyard,” “Saddleback community church,” or a combination Rock concert/Billy Graham crusade than confessional Lutheranism.
There may be some threats of a split but I doubt that will happen, maybe some fragmenting and migrations to other churches but for the most part the ELCA will remain intact. The groundwork for this confrontation was laid decades ago and I think the majority won’t care. Further, the few Christians who might dispute the ordination of homosexuals won’t trouble themselves with it so long as there’s a safe (middling) place to be on this issue why make waves or choose sides if you can sit on the sidelines. Making peace with error seems to be far more preferable to the unpleasantness of confrontation.
That is, so long as the issue of openly homosexual men and women on the clergy roster doesn’t affect those nice rural folks in Minnesota, Iowa or Nebraska directly, then the issue can be kicked down the road for another day, for another group of people to deal with this unpleasantness. We ought to pray for the faithful Christians in the ELCA, likewise we should pray for our own church and its leaders, we’re a lot closer to ending up where the ELCA is right now than we’d care to imagine.
The bottom line of course is that this conference voted to allow the homosexuals in their parishes to remain in their trespasses and sins–so much for majority rule. As Ben Franklin put ‘Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.”