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Sign of the Times

November 20th, 2007
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Christmas is the time of the year when peace and brotherhood are celebrated. That’s the whole point, right? Well, a Presbyterian Church, (PCUSA), is hosting an event that is in perfect harmony with this view of Christmas. Is this what plays in Peoria? Must be! To which, I say in my heartiest Scrooge-voice, "Bah! Humbug!"


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  1. November 20th, 2007 at 13:36 | #1

    Oh. Yuck. But I’m having fits of giggles imagining the planning committee having to come up with a refreshments menu that all those differing faiths could eat. Is the Westminster church kitchen kept kosher?
    And, umm, not to be a nitpicker, but Ramadan was back in Sept. this year…

  2. Helen
    November 20th, 2007 at 13:37 | #2

    I noticed that under the ad you referenced Liberal Christianity. I’m
    sorry, but I don’t see how *this* qualifies under the category of Christianity at all!! Come, Lord Jesus!!!

  3. Chi Chi
    November 20th, 2007 at 14:50 | #3

    I’m offended that they mispelled “Kwanzaa.” And, which Eid would that be? There are two Eid celebrations in Islam.

  4. Joshua Gale
    November 20th, 2007 at 15:06 | #4

    Yes, that is what happens over in Peoria, IL, and across the globe, unfortunately. I’m from a town very near to Peoria, and I am fairly certain this is not the first time these same people have hosted this…a shock, I know. Maybe it’s a “grass is greener” kind of thing, but I always thought Unionism was in the water in my part of Central Illinois.

  5. the other David
    November 20th, 2007 at 16:02 | #5

    yes well the last thing we would want to do as Christians is to offend anyone by actually being Christians therefore we must submit our religion and blend it with other religions in order to remove any offensive qualities. Joel Osteen has shown us the way to do this, remove the cross, remove the reason for the cross and The Architect of the cross will become a generic private contractor you can employ only on “down days” when your perkiness needs a little encouragement and your poodle seems to be depressed so bring out the holiday platter of little gods and take your pick. Planned Parenthood, Islam, Judaism and the jazz allstars just scream Christmas season. Christianity really has become this watered down ultra generic, laughable pyramid marketing scheme. I’d rather Christmas just vanish than to see it relegated to a ecumenical all faith corner fund raising campaign thrown by child murderers. I agree 100% with Helen.

  6. Mike Baker
    November 20th, 2007 at 17:17 | #6

    Happy Ramahanuquansikeidmas, everyone.

  7. Henry
    November 20th, 2007 at 22:53 | #7

    Unfortunately this type of service was held at our former ELCA church.
    St. Peter’s Evangelical Lutheran Church at 1422 Church Road in Pen Argyl will hold a special community worship service today at 7 p.m., featuring prayers of thanksgiving from several different religious traditions. Members of the Slate Belt Ministerium will be joined by representatives from the Lehigh Dialogue Center. (Muslim), Arsha Vidya Gurukulum (Hindu), Guru Nanak Sikh Society of the Lehigh Valley, and the Jewish community. Each tradition will read from holy books and offer prayers of thanksgiving in their own faith. The service will be followed by a time of refreshment provided by the Lutheran Church Women of St. Peter’s.
    We are thankful that we are members of an Missouri Synod congregation.

  8. November 20th, 2007 at 23:53 | #8

    Hey, welcome to my world!! Isn’t it fun?
    A celebration celebrating nothing! Yay!

  9. Rob Franck
    November 21st, 2007 at 10:57 | #9

    Kwanzaa is not the only word misspelled. An offertory will be held?

  10. gary w. galen
    November 21st, 2007 at 14:55 | #10

    the one redeeming quality is that there are refreshments!

  11. John C. Hudelson
    November 22nd, 2007 at 09:40 | #11

    My father, a retired PCUSA minister, encouraged me to join a local LCMS congregation instead of the PCUSA congregation due to the problems of beliefs and practices in the PCUSA denomination.

  12. Rev. Al Bergstrazer
    November 23rd, 2007 at 16:28 | #12

    Hang on to this item for the next time you need to explain syncretism. That being said, what a marvelous way to celebrate the incarnation of our Lord than with a Planned Parenthood funraiser. Have ye no shame?

  13. Blake Bahler
    November 24th, 2007 at 13:09 | #13

    Good comments all around; however, we might want to refrain from referring to other religions as different “faiths.” (Perhaps this one belongs in your pet peeve post.) They are virtually always WORKS-BASED religion and therefore bear no relation to faith in any manner, shape, or form. As for the event itself, what an abomination!

  14. November 27th, 2007 at 10:46 | #14

    I am offended that they aren’t including Zoroastrians (not that they would come), animists, Wiccans, etc.
    Kawanzaa is a fake holiday made up by a man in prision for murder.

  15. the other David
    November 28th, 2007 at 05:05 | #15

    “we might want to refrain from referring to other religions as different “faiths.”
    i think they require more faith than Christianity does. they need to place a lot of faith in their works being enough or all it takes to be saved.

  16. Blake Bahler
    December 1st, 2007 at 11:48 | #16

    Other David,
    Your last comment makes faith vs. works (in the context of salvation) into a distinction without a difference. There can be no blurring of the line here. Your statement that “they need to place a lot of faith in their works…to be saved” is really just a distorted reformulation of something like the following: “They need to work in order to be saved.” Furhermore, we should take care not to confuse Christian faith with simple, generic belief.

  17. the other David
    December 3rd, 2007 at 07:09 | #17

    So only Christians have faith in their religion and others do not? If someone has complete trust in something then that is faith regardless of what it refers to or what it is they place their faith in. I’m not saying their faith justifies itself merely because it is faith, I am saying they are placing complete trust in the teaching(s) of their religion / cult and that makes it faith based. If their religion / cult says they have to work or earn their salvation then they are placing faith in the teaching that says they can earn it. I didn’t confuse Christian faith with generic faith, the flyer did. Your statement was:
    “we might want to refrain from referring to other religions as different “faiths.”
    Some other religions ARE faiths, that doesn’t make them valid though. Faith is not solely Christian, people place faith in all sorts of things and people, the flyer is the one mixing the “faiths” as if all are the same or can coexist which they cannot. Saying something is a “faith” does not degrade Christianity in the slightest.
    You said:
    “Your statement that “they need to place a lot of faith in their works…to be saved” is really just a distorted reformulation of something like the following: “They need to work in order to be saved.”
    No it’s not, it’s a description of what some of those religions / cults place their faith in. They have faith that their works can / will save them or they have faith that their god is “real”. I think you’re pouring a distinctly Christian definition into the word “faith” which cannot be done since that word is not distinctly Christian. The What and Who of the Christians faith IS distinctly Christian and that is what the flyer is trying to blend with other “faiths”.

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