Comments on: Betraying the Reformation: The Sad Legacy of The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/ by Rev. Paul T. McCain Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:34:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: D. Philip Veitch http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-8386 D. Philip Veitch Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:53:18 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3044#comment-8386 As a Confessional, Reformed and Calvinistic Anglican (there are a few around), I find your valiance for the Book of Concord refreshing and encouraging. I'm too well read to be narrow and provincial (e.g.like many Reformed Professors) and am too well read not to know where I've settled...and justification by faith alone is one such spot, among others. Sing it, pray it, preach it, liturgize it, catechetize...never forget it said Luther somewhere. Our hearts want justification by works. Scriptures has discerned and taught us otherwise. Many thanks. Refreshing. Philip As a Confessional, Reformed and Calvinistic Anglican (there are a few around), I find your valiance for the Book of Concord refreshing and encouraging. I’m too well read to be narrow and provincial (e.g.like many Reformed Professors) and am too well read not to know where I’ve settled…and justification by faith alone is one such spot, among others. Sing it, pray it, preach it, liturgize it, catechetize…never forget it said Luther somewhere. Our hearts want justification by works. Scriptures has discerned and taught us otherwise. Many thanks. Refreshing. Philip

]]> By: Matt P. http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-8377 Matt P. Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:08:04 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3044#comment-8377 When I visited Augsburg, Germany a few years ago, our tour guide told us numerous times that the Lutherans and Roman Catholics had reconciled in 1999 and rectified what had happened in 1530. I finally told her that this was not exactly true and that many Lutherans still held to what was confessed before Charles V in her fair city. When I visited Augsburg, Germany a few years ago, our tour guide told us numerous times that the Lutherans and Roman Catholics had reconciled in 1999 and rectified what had happened in 1530. I finally told her that this was not exactly true and that many Lutherans still held to what was confessed before Charles V in her fair city.

]]> By: Patrick Kyle http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-8372 Patrick Kyle Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:42:42 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3044#comment-8372 When the JDDJ first came out, a good friend who had recently swam the Tiber, was singing its praise and talking about a new era of church unity. I read the document and pointed out that in typical postmodern fashion it is self contradictory in several places. When he protested I told him "If this were a business contract would your lawyers let you sign it with language like that in it?" (He owned a very successful business at the time.) He snatched up the papers and walked away angry. We never discussed it again. When the JDDJ first came out, a good friend who had recently swam the Tiber, was singing its praise and talking about a new era of church unity.
I read the document and pointed out that in typical postmodern fashion it is self contradictory in several places. When he protested I told him “If this were a business contract would your lawyers let you sign it with language like that in it?” (He owned a very successful business at the time.) He snatched up the papers and walked away angry. We never discussed it again.

]]> By: Christine http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-8371 Christine Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:50:55 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3044#comment-8371 Thank you so much for this very necessary reminder, Pastor McCain. I pretty much believed that consensus had been achieved while I was a member of an ELCA congregation. Those Lutherans who are still convinced that the JDDJ means the same things to Catholics and Lutherans are seeing what they want to see, not what is actually there. Christine Thank you so much for this very necessary reminder, Pastor McCain. I pretty much believed that consensus had been achieved while I was a member of an ELCA congregation.

Those Lutherans who are still convinced that the JDDJ means the same things to Catholics and Lutherans are seeing what they want to see, not what is actually there.

Christine

]]> By: ErnestO Stolpe http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-8365 ErnestO Stolpe Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:10:30 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3044#comment-8365 "In my hand no price I bring - Simply to Christ I cling" “In my hand no price I bring – Simply to Christ I cling”

]]> By: Terry Maher (Past Elder) http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/09/08/the-joint-declaration-on-the-doctrine-of-justification-was-and-is-a-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-8364 Terry Maher (Past Elder) Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:09:01 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3044#comment-8364 It's interesting that, having been on both sides of the aisle so to speak, the analogue to confessional Lutherans over there, shall we say "confessional" Catholics, also find the JDDJ a sacrifice of truth on the altar of unity, some describing it as putting the RCC close to if not under its own anathemas. It’s interesting that, having been on both sides of the aisle so to speak, the analogue to confessional Lutherans over there, shall we say “confessional” Catholics, also find the JDDJ a sacrifice of truth on the altar of unity, some describing it as putting the RCC close to if not under its own anathemas.

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