Comments on: How to Understand the Bible’s Teaching about Good Works http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/10/16/how-to-teach-and-preach-about-good-works/ Devoted to authentic Lutheranism Thu, 24 May 2012 13:51:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mark Veenman http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/10/16/how-to-teach-and-preach-about-good-works/comment-page-1/#comment-9161 Mark Veenman Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:27:26 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3835#comment-9161 EGK: I once quoted that Lutheran Hymn (...works...supply the proof that faith is living) to a Lutheran and he accused me of sounding reformed! Blessings, Mark EGK: I once quoted that Lutheran Hymn (…works…supply the proof that faith is living) to a Lutheran and he accused me of sounding reformed!
Blessings,
Mark

]]> By: Gregory DeVore http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/10/16/how-to-teach-and-preach-about-good-works/comment-page-1/#comment-9159 Gregory DeVore Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:37:40 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3835#comment-9159 In the third paragraph also is the doctrine of rewards. Chemnitz writes "however, really have rich and glorious reward in this and in the future life, not on account of the worthiness of the works, but rather on account of grace.” This ties in with the last part of Sundays Gospel( Mark 10:28-31) Which I am using to preach on the doctrine of the reward of grace on Sunday. The Apology even uses the term merit to describe these rewards but our LCMS theologians Pieper and Mueller in their dogmatics both distance themselves from this term. Melanchthon and Pieper and Mueller are all three right. In one sense it can be considered a merited reward becuse God has promised to pay it, on the other hand it can be considered grace because we don't deserve it and the reward is vastly disporportianate to our works. Thank you for your continued struggle against antinomianism. In the third paragraph also is the doctrine of rewards. Chemnitz writes “however, really have rich and glorious reward in this and in the future life, not on account of the worthiness of the works, but rather on account of grace.” This ties in with the last part of Sundays Gospel( Mark 10:28-31) Which I am using to preach on the doctrine of the reward of grace on Sunday. The Apology even uses the term merit to describe these rewards but our LCMS theologians Pieper and Mueller in their dogmatics both distance themselves from this term. Melanchthon and Pieper and Mueller are all three right. In one sense it can be considered a merited reward becuse God has promised to pay it, on the other hand it can be considered grace because we don’t deserve it and the reward is vastly disporportianate to our works. Thank you for your continued struggle against antinomianism.

]]> By: EGK http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/10/16/how-to-teach-and-preach-about-good-works/comment-page-1/#comment-9156 EGK Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:31:34 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3835#comment-9156 The discussion of good works in Apology IV is reflected here, when it is noted that though we are accused of denying good works we in fact show how they are properly done. Of course our ultimate assurance lies in the universal gospel applied to us individually in the means of grace. (Yes, God has spoken to me personally to assure me that I am saved. He said I am his own when I was baptized and called by his name, and in absolution and the Lord's Supper with those words "I forgive you your sins" and "For you, for the remission of sins.") The fruits of this salvation are a secondary form of assurance as we see the work of the Spirit made apparent in our lives. "For faith alone can justify; Works serve our neighbo[u]r and supply The proof that faith is living." (LSB 555, "Salvation unto Us Has Come.") The discussion of good works in Apology IV is reflected here, when it is noted that though we are accused of denying good works we in fact show how they are properly done. Of course our ultimate assurance lies in the universal gospel applied to us individually in the means of grace. (Yes, God has spoken to me personally to assure me that I am saved. He said I am his own when I was baptized and called by his name, and in absolution and the Lord’s Supper with those words “I forgive you your sins” and “For you, for the remission of sins.”) The fruits of this salvation are a secondary form of assurance as we see the work of the Spirit made apparent in our lives. “For faith alone can justify; Works serve our neighbo[u]r and supply The proof that faith is living.” (LSB 555, “Salvation unto Us Has Come.”)

]]> By: Michael Mapus http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/10/16/how-to-teach-and-preach-about-good-works/comment-page-1/#comment-9150 Michael Mapus Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:58:57 +0000 http://cyberbrethren.com/?p=3835#comment-9150 Pastor McCain, Nice post, that 3rd paragraph is a real whamy! Especially this: "we are to do good works, for the sake of our own need, so that through them we may have a certain testimony that our faith is true, and that we are truly righteous and saved by faith". We Lutherans find our "objective" assurance in Word and Sacrament, would we classify this as "subjective"? I guess this leads to another question, is there such a classification called objective and subjective assurance? With all my extra money from not having to look anymore for the perfect bible, I better start collecting books written by Chemnitz. Any suggestions on what should be first? <em>McCain: I would start with Chemnitz' "The Lord's Supper" volume and move from there into his other works.</em> Pastor McCain,

Nice post, that 3rd paragraph is a real whamy! Especially this: “we are to do good works, for the sake of our own need, so that through them we may have a certain testimony that our faith is true, and that we are truly righteous and saved by faith”. We Lutherans find our “objective” assurance in Word and Sacrament, would we classify this as “subjective”? I guess this leads to another question, is there such a classification called objective and subjective assurance? With all my extra money from not having to look anymore for the perfect bible, I better start collecting books written by Chemnitz. Any suggestions on what should be first?

McCain: I would start with Chemnitz’ “The Lord’s Supper” volume and move from there into his other works.

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