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		<title>By: Paul Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Through the power of social media (specifically micro blogging via Twitter), I ended up here, and boy am I thankful. I&#039;m active in my church as a volunteer, and my day job is helping media companies and businesses harness digital media.

This conversation is loaded with deep, thoughtful, and even provocative points.

Here&#039;s some new perspective to consider:

- My 10 and 12-year-olds are masters of new tech. No FB allowed, but they have computers, internet access, youtube videos, websites, iPhones. The list goes on. They also have a bunch of books. We research books online and physically go down to Barnes &amp; Noble to buy them. We also rely on digital medial to research books in our public library, which we frequent and always have something that needs to be returned there. My kids are digital natives, but they read books everyday too. Discipline.

- We as a society are just beginning to figure out how to integrate super-short bursts of digital communications into our lives. The largest category of content on Twitter today is meaningless noise. But guess what? Somebody posted a tweet about a lively discussion going on at this blog. I can only hope that more people like me subscribe to the right content providers, and find their way to content that is meaningful. 

Just because there is an abundance of meaningless garbage on social networks doesn&#039;t mean you have to subscribe to it. To the contrary, add value, and you&#039;ll attract people that are interested in your message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through the power of social media (specifically micro blogging via Twitter), I ended up here, and boy am I thankful. I&#8217;m active in my church as a volunteer, and my day job is helping media companies and businesses harness digital media.</p>
<p>This conversation is loaded with deep, thoughtful, and even provocative points.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some new perspective to consider:</p>
<p>- My 10 and 12-year-olds are masters of new tech. No FB allowed, but they have computers, internet access, youtube videos, websites, iPhones. The list goes on. They also have a bunch of books. We research books online and physically go down to Barnes &#038; Noble to buy them. We also rely on digital medial to research books in our public library, which we frequent and always have something that needs to be returned there. My kids are digital natives, but they read books everyday too. Discipline.</p>
<p>- We as a society are just beginning to figure out how to integrate super-short bursts of digital communications into our lives. The largest category of content on Twitter today is meaningless noise. But guess what? Somebody posted a tweet about a lively discussion going on at this blog. I can only hope that more people like me subscribe to the right content providers, and find their way to content that is meaningful. </p>
<p>Just because there is an abundance of meaningless garbage on social networks doesn&#8217;t mean you have to subscribe to it. To the contrary, add value, and you&#8217;ll attract people that are interested in your message.</p>
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		<title>By: Traditional Media &#8211; Time to Become Relevant again? &#124; PERSONALIZE MEDIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traditional Media &#8211; Time to Become Relevant again? &#124; PERSONALIZE MEDIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8216;embed&#8217; of my &#8216;counter&#8217; at the ever so popular, niche Cyberbretheren site Why Social Media and Social Networking for the Church? See for yourself. Is heritage media going the same way of the Church? Those who once controlled the message, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Borgstede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Borgstede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always interesting to hear how people react to new forms of media, and I do agree with &quot;the medium is the message&quot;. But with this in mind we have to be careful of what we react to and how. Similar arguments were made when it came to the Gutenberg press and the ability to place in every person&#039;s hands the printed word. We would all sing the praises of what this did for educating the masses. But on the other hand this &quot;technology&quot; has also brought about the destruction of the community. In fact the mass printing of books has done more to create an isolated world than a unified world. No need to go to the town square, family gatherings and even the church to hear the stories of a community and of God - we can just read it on our own. Some would say freedom from tyranny and control by those who &quot;know the story&quot; but I think it also created an environment that becomes too self-reliant and misses the whole point - we learn and grow better together than apart.

But would I give up on print books? No way. Has it had great benefits? Yes! But it has also had negative affects as well. The same will be true for the digital age - great benefits and great pitfalls too. Only God can redeem our &quot;resources&quot; to be used for His glory.

P.S. I have been able to connect in whole new ways with people by email, facebook, blogs, etc and I think have created new ways to bring depth of interactions that wouldn&#039;t have happened before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always interesting to hear how people react to new forms of media, and I do agree with &#8220;the medium is the message&#8221;. But with this in mind we have to be careful of what we react to and how. Similar arguments were made when it came to the Gutenberg press and the ability to place in every person&#8217;s hands the printed word. We would all sing the praises of what this did for educating the masses. But on the other hand this &#8220;technology&#8221; has also brought about the destruction of the community. In fact the mass printing of books has done more to create an isolated world than a unified world. No need to go to the town square, family gatherings and even the church to hear the stories of a community and of God &#8211; we can just read it on our own. Some would say freedom from tyranny and control by those who &#8220;know the story&#8221; but I think it also created an environment that becomes too self-reliant and misses the whole point &#8211; we learn and grow better together than apart.</p>
<p>But would I give up on print books? No way. Has it had great benefits? Yes! But it has also had negative affects as well. The same will be true for the digital age &#8211; great benefits and great pitfalls too. Only God can redeem our &#8220;resources&#8221; to be used for His glory.</p>
<p>P.S. I have been able to connect in whole new ways with people by email, facebook, blogs, etc and I think have created new ways to bring depth of interactions that wouldn&#8217;t have happened before.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many aspects to this.  

As a mother I was most frustrated by the electronic beast that invaded our family.  And with my children I felt I was always on the &quot;bleeding edge of technology&quot;, meaning that parents just a little behind me (with children younger than myself), were more savvy, than I was.  

I could not get someone to help set the table because this and that had to be done online.  The texting under the table.  The arrangements for meetings that had been made without consulting me.  All the sudden they are gone and they did not tell you where to.  You can phone them and text them, but they may not answer (no more minutes on the phone, no more charge on the phone...).  Aggravating to the extreme.  

In the end, my son died in a car accident this year, while traveling as a passenger in an inexperienced driver&#039;s car on icy roads.  He was beyond consulting with me, which may or may not have prevented anything... Anyhow. Parenting seems greatly impacted.  It has become much more difficult to hold on to your kids and this is to their detriment. They need to grow up and become independent but not like this.

On the other hand, there are the most amazing benefits to the medium.  Many have been mentioned.  I cannot imagine why the church would not make use of them.  It would be really dropping the ball and very badly.

I am not sure how much less literary we are becoming.  People seem to be either readers or not, like a genetic trait.  So many more have so much more ready access to materials, that one would think that more is being read, rather than less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many aspects to this.  </p>
<p>As a mother I was most frustrated by the electronic beast that invaded our family.  And with my children I felt I was always on the &#8220;bleeding edge of technology&#8221;, meaning that parents just a little behind me (with children younger than myself), were more savvy, than I was.  </p>
<p>I could not get someone to help set the table because this and that had to be done online.  The texting under the table.  The arrangements for meetings that had been made without consulting me.  All the sudden they are gone and they did not tell you where to.  You can phone them and text them, but they may not answer (no more minutes on the phone, no more charge on the phone&#8230;).  Aggravating to the extreme.  </p>
<p>In the end, my son died in a car accident this year, while traveling as a passenger in an inexperienced driver&#8217;s car on icy roads.  He was beyond consulting with me, which may or may not have prevented anything&#8230; Anyhow. Parenting seems greatly impacted.  It has become much more difficult to hold on to your kids and this is to their detriment. They need to grow up and become independent but not like this.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are the most amazing benefits to the medium.  Many have been mentioned.  I cannot imagine why the church would not make use of them.  It would be really dropping the ball and very badly.</p>
<p>I am not sure how much less literary we are becoming.  People seem to be either readers or not, like a genetic trait.  So many more have so much more ready access to materials, that one would think that more is being read, rather than less.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Christenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Christenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Chris, Paul, and others for a fascinating discussion. Good points made by all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Chris, Paul, and others for a fascinating discussion. Good points made by all.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher McNeely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher McNeely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary: Yes, anything can be downloaded behind the gates of tyrannical and atheistic regimes; but by the same token anything that can be downloaded can be far more easily traced than a book or pamphlet. We can be more observed, monitored, and manipulated in a technocratic society than ever before, so this is a mixed blessing, at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary: Yes, anything can be downloaded behind the gates of tyrannical and atheistic regimes; but by the same token anything that can be downloaded can be far more easily traced than a book or pamphlet. We can be more observed, monitored, and manipulated in a technocratic society than ever before, so this is a mixed blessing, at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media: Good night, evening news&#8230; &#171; Mississauga Musings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media: Good night, evening news&#8230; &#171; Mississauga Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Media: Good night, evening&#160;news&#8230; By pettor  http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/10/22/why-social-media-and-social-networking-for-the-church-see-for-yo... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher McNeely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher McNeely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you are missing the point of my post in most dramatic fashion&quot;

Well, if you&#039;re gonna miss the point, you might as well miss it dramatically.

&lt;em&gt;McCain reply: Now that&#039;s funny.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you are missing the point of my post in most dramatic fashion&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if you&#8217;re gonna miss the point, you might as well miss it dramatically.</p>
<p><em>McCain reply: Now that&#8217;s funny.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Held</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Held</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I understand what you are saying.  Yet this _is_ the world and culture the young people and technology &quot;addicted&quot; (your word, not mine) crowd live in every day.  The proper Lutheran question is:  What does this mean? It means we will proclaim the Gospel without as much reliance on books and well-reasoned arguments.  It means some aspects of the future church culture will poorer rather than richer, dumber rather than more sophisticated.  But let&#039;s not overlook there&#039;s also ample opportunity in this thing, both in terms of near-instant communication, ways to find fresh expressions and outlets for the Gospel, and the _huge_ benefit that tyrant and anti-Christian governments have not yet figured out how to keep the message OUT of their cultures.  In other words, we just don&#039;t have to think in terms of &quot;smuggling&quot; Bibles or Books of Concord into countries anymore--anything can be downloaded.

Example:  Someone in Tehran, Iran, downloaded at least a couple episodes of &quot;Radical Grace,&quot; and I&#039;m sure no one asked the Mullahs for permission first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I understand what you are saying.  Yet this _is_ the world and culture the young people and technology &#8220;addicted&#8221; (your word, not mine) crowd live in every day.  The proper Lutheran question is:  What does this mean? It means we will proclaim the Gospel without as much reliance on books and well-reasoned arguments.  It means some aspects of the future church culture will poorer rather than richer, dumber rather than more sophisticated.  But let&#8217;s not overlook there&#8217;s also ample opportunity in this thing, both in terms of near-instant communication, ways to find fresh expressions and outlets for the Gospel, and the _huge_ benefit that tyrant and anti-Christian governments have not yet figured out how to keep the message OUT of their cultures.  In other words, we just don&#8217;t have to think in terms of &#8220;smuggling&#8221; Bibles or Books of Concord into countries anymore&#8211;anything can be downloaded.</p>
<p>Example:  Someone in Tehran, Iran, downloaded at least a couple episodes of &#8220;Radical Grace,&#8221; and I&#8217;m sure no one asked the Mullahs for permission first!</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Nietzke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Nietzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for both remarks. That I read it, proves in another way, how well we are connected globally. Also: I have had several chances to do pastoral and missional work via Facebook, for instance. One way of serving people, not the only one, not the best, maybe, but nobody challenged that it is the one and only way, yet. Greetings from Germany.
Markus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for both remarks. That I read it, proves in another way, how well we are connected globally. Also: I have had several chances to do pastoral and missional work via Facebook, for instance. One way of serving people, not the only one, not the best, maybe, but nobody challenged that it is the one and only way, yet. Greetings from Germany.<br />
Markus</p>
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