In honor of labor day…

If you’re going to ignore the word of God, at least teach them something useful – like how to change the oil in their parents’ car or use a riveter…No real chance that your vocation will involve knocking a sombero off someone’s head with a pool noodle…

I do think there are a couple of very interesting things in this video:
a.) The “Wretched” dude’s set looks very hip and “relevant”.
b.) Even though the “Emerging Church” thing is dead – and that is at least partially a good thing – these were the same complaints leveled against the church in the mid-90′s. Did the reaction not work then? And why do we think it might now?

in Christ,
jW

I’m glad someone finally said it. The same could be said for “contemporary worship”. It often misses the point and is more like performance worship focusing on people rather than God.

This is unrelated to your post. I was just wondering what happened to the “creationism” essay from 1953 that was supposed to be in vol. 2 of the Lonely Way. I’m very interested in reading that piece. Some people at my home congregation have gotten hyper-zealous for Ken Ham’s stuff and I was interested in Sasse’s take on creationism. Feel free to delete this post. Thanks!
Shawn

Hmmm, while watching the video, I was distracted from the message because of all the different camera shots and the “stuff” on the set walls, including a flat screen tv. Seems like you’re not really ready to move on the the real thing yet either.

Um, memorize bible verses? THAT is a proposed solution?!?!?! We might as well each memorize a small section of the dictionary. What’s the point in memorizing bible verses if the meaning and context are NEVER taught. Our LCMS grade school teachers REQUIRED us to memorize bible verses in the 3rd and 4th grades. Pretty sadistic stuff. Memorize THIS…..or else! It was pure torture.

Absolutely Fantastic! Great quote in this or somewhere on his site, “The church has become mush!” So true but also so sad.

Grace, Mercy, & Peace
Friarpuk

Yes it is true. Kids, including my own teenagers, are about as receptive to an adult trying to think and act like a kid to relate to them as an African-American is to a white person trying to “talk black” to relate to them.

But I agree with the memorising caveat too. Was fine when there was one “Bible”. Now that there’s several every few years, and new worship orders likewise, not so much. Pick a text and stick to it, leave the rest to learned discussions but not catechesis — think I read that somewhere by a guy so aghast at the state of catechesis that he wrote this small catechism.

I used to be a youth minister and sympathize with much of what this video had to say. The sad thing is that he seems to be advocating throwing out the baby with the bath water in youth ministry in a video that is clearly just as “hip” as any youth minister can strive to be. I don’t claim to be a youth minister jedi or anything, but in my experience it was having a balance between teaching and activities that worked best. To me, it is not an either/or.

Truly sad. My 20 year old nephew is one of this generation that is not going back to church. He realized how fake this whole youth group thing was a few years ago.

Main Stream churches in America have gotten so focused on “seeker” that they have forgotten to take care of the church they already have. As Paul said, you can’t live on milk alone.