I really do not understand Hollywood’s twisted understanding of Christian denominations. Huh? No LCMS Lutheran will ever state that the Book of Concord is on equal standing with the Bible. I have heard of a synod, but what’s a “syn-odd?” The pronunciation was more than “a little” strange, don’t you think? A genuine member of a Lutheran synod would pronounce it correctly. By the way, why wait until the honeymoon to discuss religious issues with your spouse? More disinformation: An LCMS layman, especially a strong believer as portrayed by actor Woody Harrelson in the video clip, would not become ELCA. Trivia: In the TV show “Cheers,” Kelsey Grammer plays psychiatrist Dr. Frasier Crane. In real life, Grammer is a member of the ELCA.
I thought the Methodist church was just as liberal as the ELCA – just a little more quiet about it, that’s all. I understand many ELCA laymen are fleeing to other, more confessional Lutheran denominations. Is the Methodist church suffering from ELCA-style membership losses? If so, then where are those people going?
I would bet that African Lutherans are NOT being required by their pastors to read works by Calvinistic authors in all-church or small group bible studies. Books by Rob Bell and Rick Warren come to mind, but there are others as well. Where are the works by Lutheran authors, both past and present? I wish that the LCMS would train an army of African missionaries, and then send them into our crumbling inner cities to evangelize.
I don’t think the LCMS’s mission in Africa is to take these future African leaders from their own countries just so they can come solve the problems in America’s inner cities.
Despite the LCMS training, which is doing amazing things – it’s doing amazing things in Africa. It’s a completely different culture than anywhere in America. Support and provide for the LCMS to train and equip future leaders of Africa for … Africa. Train the LCMS in America to minister to it’s crumbling inner cities.
This is a great video. He really presents a good introduction to Methodism and its influence on American Christianity. Does he have a website with more clips on various themes?
I like Fisk’s videos (most of the time), but this one, well, he is alright when he talks about Lutheranism, but when he starts telling us about Wesley and Wesleyanism… boy, oh boy! I am a Wesleyan minister and a Lutheran seeker, and I think I know much about both. Most of what Fisk says about Wesley is wrong – I have come to see the errors of Wesley and his theology and to accept the truth of Lutheranism, but let me tell you, Wesley was not a Pelagian in any sense, he did not believe in achieving holiness by methods (or works of any kind), etc. Wesleyans would laugh at these statements made by Fisk. I am not gonna teach you what Wesley really believed, go surf the Internet, read and find out for yourself, there are so many resources out there. Wesley was wrong on the prevenient grace enabling a spiritually dead person to accept Christ, he was wrong on the extent of sanctification (entire sanctification), etc. But you know, if I would have to chose (thank God, I don’t, there is Lutheranism – the truth) between Wesley and Calvin I’d rather take Wesley, over and over again. Calvin’s double predestination is a BLASPHEMY, Wesley’s Christian perfection is optimism of grace gone too far – both are errors, but the first one is monstrous! And Wesley did believe in baptismal regeneration.
Are there many Wesleyans who believe as you do? I would be intrigued to see scores of Methodists and Presbyterians discovering Luther and then quietly joining LCMS congregations. Where are they otherwise going?
Yes, and no. My point is that a missionary would have the kind of bubbling enthusiasm and unique perspective that a native would not. As a Christian country, we have been sending missionaries all over the world for decades (centuries?). Regarding our post-Christian country, it is only right that other countries finally start sending some to us.
It’s human nature to mischaracterize the views we oppose in a vain effort to make our own views appear that much more superior. But as one of my professors advised, it’s best to develop one’s knowledge and point of view on the basis of primary sources, lest one be misled by the unsubstantiated opinions of others.
As a Lutheran (LCMS) layman, I consider this particularly good practice whenever I hear a Lutheran find fault with the beliefs of other Christians. The Heidelberg Catechism gives me a much clearer picture of the Reformed than does a Lutheran soundbite demonizing their theology. The Articles of Remonstrance themselves likewise give me a more helpful picture of Arminianism than I have gotten from characterizations of Arminianism by drive-by Lutheran critics. Likewise, if I want to understand Wesley, I’ll simply read Wesley.
Good points. Go to the source if you really want to understand. However, if I read the original texts of Calvin or Wesley, I will of course not find a critique from a Lutheran standpoint. Where would I go for that?
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