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		<title>Comment on Vatican Issues Rules on How to Determine if an Apparition is Legit by Jonathan Trost</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/23/vatican-issues-rules-on-how-to-determine-if-a-ghost-is-real/comment-page-1/#comment-18599</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18567&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Walter &lt;/a&gt; 

We care about what the Vatican &quot;thinks, says, and proclaims&quot; because much of it, but certainly not all, is what we &quot;teach, preach, and confess&quot;. That is why we are part of the &quot;one holy, Christian and Apostolic Church&quot;, along with others.

I am absolutley convinced that we Lutherans, on so many topics of dogma and doctrine, have much more agreement with Rome than we have with so much of contemporary American, so-called Protestantism, which has cast off many of the truths contained in scripture and the creeds, and regards them today as &quot;unscientific&quot; and &quot;unenlightened&quot;. For much of today&#039;s American Protestantism, there is no such thing as &quot;false doctrine&quot;. &quot;Heresy&quot; is to them a &quot;dirty word&quot;. Orthodoxy is regarded as abhorrent to reason. Because of theological ignorance, many American &quot;Protestants&quot; would have today&#039;s Church read &quot;He descended into hell.&quot; right out of the Apostles&#039; Creed, (if they&#039;d even recite it.)

Don&#039;t always be too harsh on Rome; rather, only when and as they need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-18567" rel="nofollow">@Walter </a> </p>
<p>We care about what the Vatican &#8220;thinks, says, and proclaims&#8221; because much of it, but certainly not all, is what we &#8220;teach, preach, and confess&#8221;. That is why we are part of the &#8220;one holy, Christian and Apostolic Church&#8221;, along with others.</p>
<p>I am absolutley convinced that we Lutherans, on so many topics of dogma and doctrine, have much more agreement with Rome than we have with so much of contemporary American, so-called Protestantism, which has cast off many of the truths contained in scripture and the creeds, and regards them today as &#8220;unscientific&#8221; and &#8220;unenlightened&#8221;. For much of today&#8217;s American Protestantism, there is no such thing as &#8220;false doctrine&#8221;. &#8220;Heresy&#8221; is to them a &#8220;dirty word&#8221;. Orthodoxy is regarded as abhorrent to reason. Because of theological ignorance, many American &#8220;Protestants&#8221; would have today&#8217;s Church read &#8220;He descended into hell.&#8221; right out of the Apostles&#8217; Creed, (if they&#8217;d even recite it.)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t always be too harsh on Rome; rather, only when and as they need it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Book of Concord is Important by Jonathan Trost</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/23/why-the-book-of-concord-is-important/comment-page-1/#comment-18598</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 14:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18589&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@ptmccain &lt;/a&gt; 

Part of the cause of the very real problem Josh mentions is a corrupted understanding among laymen of the Rite of Confirmation. A Confirmation Certifcate is viewed as being in the nature of a diploma, signifying the end of formal instruction in the faith. In short, the confirmand has &quot;graduated&quot;.

I believe Luther and the early Lutheran Fathers didn&#039;t even observe the Rite of Confirmation, in part because of the  Roman abuse of having made it a sacrament. Rather, emphasis was placed on instruction in The Small Catechism leading to the day of the &quot;Pruefung&quot; (the Examination) followed by first communion. 

The Large Catechism, I believe, was intended for pastors and the continuing theological education of adults. I love The Large Catechism. I believe it should be a staple of adult forums in church schools, (rather than book reviews on topics of whatever the current winds are blowing.) 

The great 20th century (Reformed) Swiss theologian, Karl Barth, throughout his professional career and until his death, never referred to himself with titles such as &quot;Reverend&quot;, &quot;Doctor&quot;, or &quot;Professor&quot;. Rather, at the end of his written works, he signed his name, followed by &quot;Stud. theol.&quot; (student of theology). Considered by others to be among the &quot;greats&quot;, he always thought of himself as but a student.

We laymen in the church should see ourselves as students, always in need of further catechisis, rather than as &quot;graduates&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-18589" rel="nofollow">@ptmccain </a> </p>
<p>Part of the cause of the very real problem Josh mentions is a corrupted understanding among laymen of the Rite of Confirmation. A Confirmation Certifcate is viewed as being in the nature of a diploma, signifying the end of formal instruction in the faith. In short, the confirmand has &#8220;graduated&#8221;.</p>
<p>I believe Luther and the early Lutheran Fathers didn&#8217;t even observe the Rite of Confirmation, in part because of the  Roman abuse of having made it a sacrament. Rather, emphasis was placed on instruction in The Small Catechism leading to the day of the &#8220;Pruefung&#8221; (the Examination) followed by first communion. </p>
<p>The Large Catechism, I believe, was intended for pastors and the continuing theological education of adults. I love The Large Catechism. I believe it should be a staple of adult forums in church schools, (rather than book reviews on topics of whatever the current winds are blowing.) </p>
<p>The great 20th century (Reformed) Swiss theologian, Karl Barth, throughout his professional career and until his death, never referred to himself with titles such as &#8220;Reverend&#8221;, &#8220;Doctor&#8221;, or &#8220;Professor&#8221;. Rather, at the end of his written works, he signed his name, followed by &#8220;Stud. theol.&#8221; (student of theology). Considered by others to be among the &#8220;greats&#8221;, he always thought of himself as but a student.</p>
<p>We laymen in the church should see ourselves as students, always in need of further catechisis, rather than as &#8220;graduates&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Commemoration of Bede by Mark Huntemann</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/25/commemoration-of-bede/comment-page-1/#comment-18597</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Huntemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 13:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PDF can be found a couple paragraphs down about his last day quoted by his scribe. 

http://www.lutheransonline.com/servlet/lo_ProcServ/dbpage=page&amp;mode=display&amp;gid=20080194170663455501111555</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PDF can be found a couple paragraphs down about his last day quoted by his scribe. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.lutheransonline.com/servlet/lo_ProcServ/dbpage=page&#038;mode=display&#038;gid=20080194170663455501111555" rel="nofollow">http://www.lutheransonline.com/servlet/lo_ProcServ/dbpage=page&#038;mode=display&#038;gid=20080194170663455501111555</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Interactive Map of Ancient Rome by James Ulvog</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ulvog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 06:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic resource. Thanks for pointing it out. 

As an illustration from the site, transit time from Rome to Jerusalem on a slower sailing boat would be  24 days with passenger fare of 669 denarii, which would be about 22 months of a soldier&#039;s salary.

Just looked up the airfare today, which would be $427 round trip with 3.5 hours in the air.

Ahh. Um. If I happen to stumble into one of those time portals, do you think my internet connection will still work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic resource. Thanks for pointing it out. </p>
<p>As an illustration from the site, transit time from Rome to Jerusalem on a slower sailing boat would be  24 days with passenger fare of 669 denarii, which would be about 22 months of a soldier&#8217;s salary.</p>
<p>Just looked up the airfare today, which would be $427 round trip with 3.5 hours in the air.</p>
<p>Ahh. Um. If I happen to stumble into one of those time portals, do you think my internet connection will still work?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Commemoration of Philip Melanchthon, Confessor by Michael Snow</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/02/16/commemoration-of-philip-melanchthon-confessor/comment-page-1/#comment-18593</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 03:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Melanchthon taught that the sects ought to be put down by the sword, and that any individual who started new opinions ought to be punished with death.&quot;

Certainly a sin for any Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Melanchthon taught that the sects ought to be put down by the sword, and that any individual who started new opinions ought to be punished with death.&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly a sin for any Christian.</p>
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		<title>Comment on God, Marriage and the Government by Rob</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/22/god-marriage-and-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-18592</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If marriage is redefined as the federal &quot;law&quot; of the land, be certain of and prepare your flocks for persecution.  Any person or congregation that teaches that homosexuality is sin will be considered outside the &quot;law&quot; and must be punished.

However, joyfully, this will be a true pruning of the church to strengthen and lead to the &quot;narrow gate&quot;.  Amen.  Come, Lord Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If marriage is redefined as the federal &#8220;law&#8221; of the land, be certain of and prepare your flocks for persecution.  Any person or congregation that teaches that homosexuality is sin will be considered outside the &#8220;law&#8221; and must be punished.</p>
<p>However, joyfully, this will be a true pruning of the church to strengthen and lead to the &#8220;narrow gate&#8221;.  Amen.  Come, Lord Jesus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Extraordinary Volume Every Serious Student of Scripture Should Have by Matthew Carver</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/24/an-extraordinary-volume-every-serious-student-of-scripture-should-have/comment-page-1/#comment-18591</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 00:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Schmeling must be referring to Gerhard and Herberger! I certainly have noticed a lot of Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) and Wisdom quoted in that period, including, to a lesser extent, Tobit and 1 &amp; 2 Maccabees. Looking forward to having a nice edition to work with. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Schmeling must be referring to Gerhard and Herberger! I certainly have noticed a lot of Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) and Wisdom quoted in that period, including, to a lesser extent, Tobit and 1 &amp; 2 Maccabees. Looking forward to having a nice edition to work with. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kurt Marquart on Objective Justification by Rev. Roger D. Sterle</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/24/kurt-marquart-on-objective-justification/comment-page-1/#comment-18590</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Roger D. Sterle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly did enjoy reading this article again for a second time in a couple of weeks. If I loose my copy then I will know where to find it again. I do hope that the guys in the circuit will be willing to give this a study next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly did enjoy reading this article again for a second time in a couple of weeks. If I loose my copy then I will know where to find it again. I do hope that the guys in the circuit will be willing to give this a study next year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Book of Concord is Important by ptmccain</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptmccain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks Josh. I have heard this SO many times from lay people, frankly, almost in anger, &quot;Why didn&#039;t anyone tell us about this!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks Josh. I have heard this SO many times from lay people, frankly, almost in anger, &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t anyone tell us about this!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Book of Concord is Important by Josh Radke</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/05/23/why-the-book-of-concord-is-important/comment-page-1/#comment-18588</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Radke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 19:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What strikes me especially about this video is that I found my copy of the &quot;Reader&#039;s Edition&quot; of the BOC in my local Borders as well a couple years back. And just like Chris I immediately dove into it for a couple hours when I got home (although it started off as me just flipping through it).

Now, I was born into the confessional Lutheranism as a third generation LCMS member. And what struck me that night is that I spent two hours pouring into a text that was largely *new* to me. I&#039;d never seen the Large Catechism before, only heard of it; I&#039;d never seen OR heard (maybe only vaguely) of the Apology, the Smalcald Articles, et al.

This isn&#039;t meant to call out the pastors that I have had in my life in any way; the ones that I can remember were all excellent teachers and defenders of the faith, and several are very close friends. But there is a real problem when a third generation Lutheran doesn&#039;t know (or has even heard of in some cases) of the very Confessions that conceived the confessional Lutheran church body.

The first thing I did was get 10 copies for our small congregation here in Maine, and going forward we have started the tradition of giving a copy of the &quot;Reader&#039;s Edition&quot; to any person/family that becomes a member of our church--whether they are waking up from their spiritual slumber, are new Lutherans, or transfers from an LCMS body. This is a book that *must* be in every household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What strikes me especially about this video is that I found my copy of the &#8220;Reader&#8217;s Edition&#8221; of the BOC in my local Borders as well a couple years back. And just like Chris I immediately dove into it for a couple hours when I got home (although it started off as me just flipping through it).</p>
<p>Now, I was born into the confessional Lutheranism as a third generation LCMS member. And what struck me that night is that I spent two hours pouring into a text that was largely *new* to me. I&#8217;d never seen the Large Catechism before, only heard of it; I&#8217;d never seen OR heard (maybe only vaguely) of the Apology, the Smalcald Articles, et al.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t meant to call out the pastors that I have had in my life in any way; the ones that I can remember were all excellent teachers and defenders of the faith, and several are very close friends. But there is a real problem when a third generation Lutheran doesn&#8217;t know (or has even heard of in some cases) of the very Confessions that conceived the confessional Lutheran church body.</p>
<p>The first thing I did was get 10 copies for our small congregation here in Maine, and going forward we have started the tradition of giving a copy of the &#8220;Reader&#8217;s Edition&#8221; to any person/family that becomes a member of our church&#8211;whether they are waking up from their spiritual slumber, are new Lutherans, or transfers from an LCMS body. This is a book that *must* be in every household.</p>
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