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	<description>by Rev. Paul T. McCain</description>
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		<title>Comment on Holy Ghost Hokey Pokey by Pr. Tom Fast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pr. Tom Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of a Lutheran pastor who parked his Harley in front of the altar. I know of a Lutheran pastor who dressed his chancel as a duck blind.  Hey, some folks like the Hokey Pokey.  Other folks like to hunt Ducks.  

Then there are those Lutheran pastors who think it important to have access to good coffee and bottled water during worship.  Some even feel that the smell of freshly baked cookies wafting over the gathered congregation is an important addition to the worship of the Holy Trinity.  

Duck blinds, Harley Davidsons, coffee and bottled water, the smell of cookies, the singing of the Hokey Pokey.....all while marginalizing (if not omitting or removing) the Sacrament of the Altar, the confessing of the Creeds, the praying of the Our Father, crucifixes, fonts, altars, pulpits, albs, stoles, and virtually anything which puts the focus on the presence and work of the Holy Trinity.  This is increasingly what is occurring in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.  Oftentimes the congregations practicing this are praised and offered up as good examples to the rest of us.  Perhaps they are good examples. Perhaps they are not.

Now I really do not think we ought to make fun of these folks and the novel activities they are importing into the Divine Service.  The people who engage in this are quite sincerely trying to do what is best and most Christian, I am sure.  They also have a great deal of zeal for reaching the lost.  Good for them.  We need more of that.

But I do think that we need to have an extended conversation about these matters.  And by conversation, I mean listening and then responding...give and take...for a long time and in an organized fashion.  There may or may not be something fundamentally wrong.  I will admit my bias toward the former---I suspect there is something fundamentally wrong.

We confess the Church to be &quot;catholic.&quot;  Catholicity always involves a vigorous engagement with whatever culture in which the Church finds Herself.  But care must always be exercised that She does not lose her identity along the way.

Are we losing our identity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of a Lutheran pastor who parked his Harley in front of the altar. I know of a Lutheran pastor who dressed his chancel as a duck blind.  Hey, some folks like the Hokey Pokey.  Other folks like to hunt Ducks.  </p>
<p>Then there are those Lutheran pastors who think it important to have access to good coffee and bottled water during worship.  Some even feel that the smell of freshly baked cookies wafting over the gathered congregation is an important addition to the worship of the Holy Trinity.  </p>
<p>Duck blinds, Harley Davidsons, coffee and bottled water, the smell of cookies, the singing of the Hokey Pokey&#8230;..all while marginalizing (if not omitting or removing) the Sacrament of the Altar, the confessing of the Creeds, the praying of the Our Father, crucifixes, fonts, altars, pulpits, albs, stoles, and virtually anything which puts the focus on the presence and work of the Holy Trinity.  This is increasingly what is occurring in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.  Oftentimes the congregations practicing this are praised and offered up as good examples to the rest of us.  Perhaps they are good examples. Perhaps they are not.</p>
<p>Now I really do not think we ought to make fun of these folks and the novel activities they are importing into the Divine Service.  The people who engage in this are quite sincerely trying to do what is best and most Christian, I am sure.  They also have a great deal of zeal for reaching the lost.  Good for them.  We need more of that.</p>
<p>But I do think that we need to have an extended conversation about these matters.  And by conversation, I mean listening and then responding&#8230;give and take&#8230;for a long time and in an organized fashion.  There may or may not be something fundamentally wrong.  I will admit my bias toward the former&#8212;I suspect there is something fundamentally wrong.</p>
<p>We confess the Church to be &#8220;catholic.&#8221;  Catholicity always involves a vigorous engagement with whatever culture in which the Church finds Herself.  But care must always be exercised that She does not lose her identity along the way.</p>
<p>Are we losing our identity?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cranach in Nashville, Tennessee by ptmccain</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptmccain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Julian. Actually, the painting you pointed us to is one of a number of paintings that Cranach painted depicting Herodias, Herod&#039;s wife, who asked for the head of John the Baptist. Similar in style/design, but different subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Julian. Actually, the painting you pointed us to is one of a number of paintings that Cranach painted depicting Herodias, Herod&#8217;s wife, who asked for the head of John the Baptist. Similar in style/design, but different subject.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cranach in Nashville, Tennessee by Julian</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2010/03/20/cranach-in-nasvhville/comment-page-1/#comment-10813</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a slightly modified version here in Louisville. Alas, the bottom half of the painting featuring the severed head was...well, severed. Still, enough of it is left so that you can still easily appreciate his wonderful technique.
Here&#039;s a link for those interested.

http://www.speedmuseum.org/cranach_n.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a slightly modified version here in Louisville. Alas, the bottom half of the painting featuring the severed head was&#8230;well, severed. Still, enough of it is left so that you can still easily appreciate his wonderful technique.<br />
Here&#8217;s a link for those interested.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.speedmuseum.org/cranach_n.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.speedmuseum.org/cranach_n.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Worship and Adiaphora by Jeff Samelson</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2010/03/20/worship-and-adiaphora/comment-page-1/#comment-10811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Samelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a real shame how unappreciated Kretzmann has become among contemporary confessional Lutherans!  

Just out of curiosity:  During your long association with A.L. Barry, did he ever talk much about Kretzmann?  I imagine he spent a *lot* of time with him in seminary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a real shame how unappreciated Kretzmann has become among contemporary confessional Lutherans!  </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity:  During your long association with A.L. Barry, did he ever talk much about Kretzmann?  I imagine he spent a *lot* of time with him in seminary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Healing in the Wounds of Christ by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiding in the wounds of Christ became a common theme in western Christian piety in the late medieval period.  Consider &quot;O Sacred Head Now Wounded&quot; which was part of larger text compiled in the late Middle Ages by the Cistercians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiding in the wounds of Christ became a common theme in western Christian piety in the late medieval period.  Consider &#8220;O Sacred Head Now Wounded&#8221; which was part of larger text compiled in the late Middle Ages by the Cistercians.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Holy Ghost Hokey Pokey by L P Cruz</title>
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		<dc:creator>L P Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Evangelicalism has become a hokey pokey religion. Unfortunately it is exported in parts like Africa and Asia and people are buying it.

LPC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Evangelicalism has become a hokey pokey religion. Unfortunately it is exported in parts like Africa and Asia and people are buying it.</p>
<p>LPC</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feast of St. Joseph, Guardian of Our Lord by Steve</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2010/03/19/feast-of-st-joseph-guardian-of-our-lord/comment-page-1/#comment-10805</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Matthew, we see Joseph as the great saint that he is in how he protected Mary and Jesus and obedient to God the Father.

One thing that I always found as interesting is how old many painters portray Joseph to be.  We don&#039;t know his age but we know that he have more child with Mary.  I believe that this plays into the Roman teaching that Mary and Joseph never had any children together and that Jesus&#039; brothers and sisters were his step-siblings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Matthew, we see Joseph as the great saint that he is in how he protected Mary and Jesus and obedient to God the Father.</p>
<p>One thing that I always found as interesting is how old many painters portray Joseph to be.  We don&#8217;t know his age but we know that he have more child with Mary.  I believe that this plays into the Roman teaching that Mary and Joseph never had any children together and that Jesus&#8217; brothers and sisters were his step-siblings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;The Book of Concord should be in every Lutheran home.&#8221; Do we still believe this? And if so, what are we doing to make it happen? by Karen Keil</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2010/03/12/the-book-of-concord-should-be-in-every-lutheran-home-do-we-still-believe-this-and-if-so-what-are-we-doing-to-make-it-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-10804</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Keil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been aware of the Book of Concord  (or Concordia) since I was in high school, being a bookworm/geek, reading up on Luther and Lutheran church history among other things on my own.  I obtained a copy sometime during my twenties or thirties (I turned 53 today) and then a more readable version from CPH very recently.  No, I have not really started reading it in depth.  The daily readings may be the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been aware of the Book of Concord  (or Concordia) since I was in high school, being a bookworm/geek, reading up on Luther and Lutheran church history among other things on my own.  I obtained a copy sometime during my twenties or thirties (I turned 53 today) and then a more readable version from CPH very recently.  No, I have not really started reading it in depth.  The daily readings may be the way to go.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Commemoration of St. Patrick, Bishop and Evangelist by Terry Maher (Past Elder)</title>
		<link>http://cyberbrethren.com/2010/03/17/commemoration-of-st-patrick-bishop-and-evangelist/comment-page-1/#comment-10803</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Maher (Past Elder)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.  As to no snakes, that is because God never put them there.  What is now Ireland was under a glacier for most of history, and like other island land masses that emerged in the &quot;thaw&quot; has no native snakes (New Zealand and Hawaii for example) and no land bridges to places that do have them, but unlike the others does have pious legends, read folk myth, as to why this is so, as unconnected to reality as all this St Patrixk&#039;s Day stuff.

And you know guys, neither the Irish nor the Scots saved civilisation, the Benedictines did!  Learned that right from them, and would a monk lie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  As to no snakes, that is because God never put them there.  What is now Ireland was under a glacier for most of history, and like other island land masses that emerged in the &#8220;thaw&#8221; has no native snakes (New Zealand and Hawaii for example) and no land bridges to places that do have them, but unlike the others does have pious legends, read folk myth, as to why this is so, as unconnected to reality as all this St Patrixk&#8217;s Day stuff.</p>
<p>And you know guys, neither the Irish nor the Scots saved civilisation, the Benedictines did!  Learned that right from them, and would a monk lie?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Commemoration of St. Patrick, Bishop and Evangelist by Terry Maher (Past Elder)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Maher (Past Elder)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I was adopted and raised by an Irish-American family, which means RC, shanty on one side, lace curtain on the other (which terms I will not explain as none is necessary for those who know and none are sufficient for those who do not).

I was raised to regard the day as a holy day of obligation and stand apart from the distinctly un-Irish secular Americanisation of the holiday.  Later, on studying Irish history and culture because I didn&#039;t know yet what mine was (Angle) I read that the day should be a day of mourning for one of the many losses of Irishness to the violence of foreigners in a Druid land with a Druid tune, to borrow from Yeats.

These days I am quite content, though legally saddled with an Irish surname, to let 17 March be 17 March, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I was adopted and raised by an Irish-American family, which means RC, shanty on one side, lace curtain on the other (which terms I will not explain as none is necessary for those who know and none are sufficient for those who do not).</p>
<p>I was raised to regard the day as a holy day of obligation and stand apart from the distinctly un-Irish secular Americanisation of the holiday.  Later, on studying Irish history and culture because I didn&#8217;t know yet what mine was (Angle) I read that the day should be a day of mourning for one of the many losses of Irishness to the violence of foreigners in a Druid land with a Druid tune, to borrow from Yeats.</p>
<p>These days I am quite content, though legally saddled with an Irish surname, to let 17 March be 17 March, period.</p>
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